编程器厂家宣传上的相互攻击，挺好玩的。

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首先是东欧的这家总出错后续见另外连接 http://diybcq.com/thread-147426-1-1.html
Elnec method for device counting & short comparison with some competitors
Elnec 设备计数方法和与一些竞争对手的简短比较

We have made a great effort to develop such a method for device counting that would be logical and descriptive. Main intention of the Elnec method for device counting is to make it easy for our customers to decide which programmer from our product range is suitable to cover their needs; and also to have an instrument for clear visual demonstration of our continual effort in adding new devices support (software updates & development of programming adapters).
我们付出了巨大的努力来开发这样一种具有逻辑性和描述性的设备计数方法。Elnec 设备计数方法的主要目的是让我们的客户能够轻松决定我们产品系列中的哪个编程器适合满足他们的需求;同时也要有一个工具，清晰直观地展示我们在添加新设备支持（软件更新和开发编程适配器）方面的持续努力。

Therefore, according to our method for device counting, we add a device into the list when it is:
因此，根据我们的设备计数方法，我们将设备添加到列表中，当它是：

a new device from particular manufacturer (new programming algorithm necessary to develop),
来自特定制造商的新设备（开发所需的新编程算法），
a variation of the device in different package than one already in the list (programming adapter necessary to develop),
与列表中已有的封装不同的器件变体（开发所需的编程适配器），
ISP version of the device - counted only once for every supported package (programming algorithm adjustment necessary),
设备的 ISP 版本 - 对于每个支持的软件包仅计数一次（需要调整编程算法），
other variation of the device that has significant impact on programming (programming algorithm adjustment necessary).
对编程有重大影响的设备的其他变化（需要调整编程算法）。

According to our method for device counting, variation of the device already mentioned in the device list can appear in the list only in case when the variation has a significant impact on programming of the device. It is simply because in this case, action from our side (development cost) is necessary to add the device into the support.
根据我们的器件计数方法，只有当器件的编程对器件的编程有重大影响时，器件列表中已经提到的器件的变体才会出现在列表中。这仅仅是因为在这种情况下，我们方面的行动（开发成本）是将设备添加到支持中所必需的。

Approach of some competitors
一些竞争对手的做法

We have noted recently that also other companies producing device programmers are displaying device count numbers. However, it is necessary to mention that our analyses showed that competitors use different methods of device counting than we do, and often count as a new device also variation of the device that has none / little impact on programming. As a result, it can be very misleading for customer when making a decision to compare Elnec device count and device counts of other companies. We are sorry to say that is seems device count methods of some companies were developed only to stun the customer by a great device count number of their programmer, but in reality the number has a little meaning.
我们最近注意到，其他生产器件编程器的公司也在显示器件计数。但是，有必要提到的是，我们的分析表明，竞争对手使用的设备计数方法与我们不同，并且通常将对编程没有/影响很小的设备变体也算作新设备。因此，在决定比较 Elnec 设备数量和其他公司的设备数量时，可能会对客户产生很大的误导。我们很遗憾地说，似乎一些公司的设备计数方法只是为了通过他们的程序员的大量设备计数来震惊客户，但实际上这个数字有点意义。

Please see following examples (and consider consequences if applied to whole device families; data from 6th of December 2010; Device list of Elnec BeeProg2 used; Device list of competitor product where greatest device count number is promoted used).
请参阅以下示例（并考虑应用于整个设备系列的后果;数据来自 2010 年 12 月 6 日;使用的 Elnec BeeProg2 设备列表;使用提升最大设备计数的竞争对手产品的设备列表）。

Competitor A - Manufacturer from China - but pretending to be from USA
竞争对手 A - 来自中国的制造商 - 但假装来自美国

Competitor B - Manufacturer from Germany - very low count of supported chips, therefroe he use cheap trick: counting "by variants"
竞争对手 B - 来自德国的制造商 - 支持的芯片数量非常少，因此他使用了便宜的技巧：“按变体”计数

Example #1 示例 #1
Device: S29GL128PxxFxx01 [Spansion NOR Flash memory]
设备：S29GL128PxxFxx01 [Spansion NOR 闪存]

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	Elnec (BeeProg2) 埃尔内克（BeeProg2）	Competitor A 竞争对手 A	Competitor B 竞争对手 B
Number of variations of the device in device list 设备列表中设备的变体数	1	4	not supported 不支持

Notes (Competitor A): 备注（竞争对手 A）：

Pb-free / SnPB versions of the device are distinguished (no impact on programming of the device),
区分器件的无铅/SnPB 版本（对器件的编程没有影响），
speed options of the device are distinguished (not necessary to adjust on programming algorithm of the device).
设备的速度选项是有区别的（无需调整设备的编程算法）。

Example #2 示例 #2
Device: uPD78F0103 [NEC - microcontroller with Flash]
设备：uPD78F0103 [NEC - 带闪存的微控制器]

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	Elnec (BeeProg2) 埃尔内克（BeeProg2）	Competitor A 竞争对手 A	Competitor B 竞争对手 B
Number of variations of the device in device list 设备列表中设备的变体数	2 [of which 1 is ISP] 2 [其中 1 个是 ISP]	18 [ISP version not supported!] 18 [不支持 ISP 版本！	not supported 不支持

Notes (Competitor A): 备注（竞争对手 A）：

counting also temperature and other suffixes of the device (no impact on programming of the device).
还可以计算设备的温度和其他后缀（对设备的编程没有影响）。

Example #3 示例 #3
Device: PIC16C554 [Microchip EEPROM]
设备：PIC16C554 [Microchip EEPROM]

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	Elnec (BeeProg2) 埃尔内克（BeeProg2）	Competitor A 竞争对手 A	Competitor B 竞争对手 B
Number of variations of the device in device list 设备列表中设备的变体数	4 [DIL, SOIC18, SSOP20, ISP] 4 [DIL、SOIC18、SSOP20、ISP]	6 [DIL, SOIC18, SSOP20, ISP 3x] 6 [DIL、SOIC18、SSOP20、ISP 3x]	21 [DIL, SOIC18, ISP; SSOP20 not supported!] 21 [DIL，SOIC18，ISP;不支持 SSOP20！

Notes (Competitor A): 备注（竞争对手 A）：

if the competitor supports devices in more packages and also in ISP mode like in this case, the competitor is counting support of ISP for device in each package, although package information is irrelevant for ISP programming.
如果竞争对手支持更多封装的设备，并且还支持 ISP 模式的设备（如本例），则竞争对手将计算每个封装中设备的 ISP 支持，尽管封装信息与 ISP 编程无关。

Notes (Competitor B): 备注（竞争对手 B）：

counting "by variants" is totally irrelevant, and has a little meaning for the user.
“按变体”计数是完全无关紧要的，并且对用户有一点意义。

Example #4 示例 #4
Device: AT89C51RD2 [Atmel microcontroller with Flash]
设备：AT89C51RD2 [带闪存的 Atmel 微控制器]

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	Elnec (BeeProg2) 埃尔内克（BeeProg2）	Competitor A 竞争对手 A	Competitor B 竞争对手 B
Number of variations of the device in device list 设备列表中设备的变体数	6 [DIL, PLCC44, PLCC68, VQFO44, VQFP64, ISP] 6 [DIL、PLCC44、PLCC68、VQFO44、VQFP64、ISP]	7 [DIL, PLCC44, PLCC68 2x!, VQFP44, VQFP64 2x!; ISP not supported!] 7 [DIL， PLCC44， PLCC68 2x！， VQFP44， VQFP64 2x！;不支持 ISP！	20 [PLCC44 2x!, VQFP44 4x!, VQFP64 2x!; DIL and ISP not supported!] 20 [PLCC44 2x！， VQFP44 4x！， VQFP64 2x！;不支持 DIL 和 ISP！

Notes (Competitor A): 备注（竞争对手 A）：

in cases when this competitor supports the device version in particular package by more adapters, it appears in the device list more times.
如果该竞争对手通过更多适配器支持特定封装中的设备版本，则它会在设备列表中出现更多次。

Notes (Competitor B): 备注（竞争对手 B）：

not only competitor's counting 'by variants', but also counting 'by package' is incorrect, because in the same way as competitor A this company counts particular device more times if it has more adapters for this particular package.
不仅竞争对手的“按变体”计数，而且“按包装”计数都是不正确的，因为与竞争对手 A 一样，如果该公司为该特定封装提供更多适配器，该公司就会更多地计算特定设备的次数。

Conclusion 结论

To conclude, according to the results of our detailed analysis, it would be possible to divide number of supported devices displayed at the web page of the manufacturer A (China) approximately by number "5/4"; and to divide number of supported devices displayed at the web page of the manufacturer B (Germany) counting "by variants" approximately by number "5" to be able to compare the device count numbers.
总而言之，根据我们的详细分析结果，可以将制造商 A（中国）网页上显示的支持设备数量大致除以数字“5/4”;以及将制造商 B（德国）网页上显示的支持设备数量除以“按型号”，大约按数字“5”计数，以便能够比较设备数量。

As a result, comparison of device count numbers transformed into Elnec method for device counting would be approximately:
因此，转换为 Elnec 方法进行设备计数的设备计数编号的比较大约为：

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	Elnec (BeeProg2) 埃尔内克（BeeProg2）	Competitor A 竞争对手 A	Competitor B 竞争对手 B
Device count 设备计数	57.557	~50.620	~11.990

*Note: Analysis is based on device lists form 6th of December 2010 (Device list of Elnec BeeProg2 used; Device list of particular competitor product where greatest device count number is promoted used).
*注意：分析基于 2010 年 12 月 6 日的设备清单（使用的 Elnec BeeProg2 设备清单;使用最大设备计数的特定竞争对手产品的设备列表）。

On the other hand, if Elnec used the same method for device counting as competitor A (China), final comparison would be approximately:
另一方面，如果 Elnec 使用与竞争对手 A（中国）相同的设备计数方法，则最终比较将大致为：

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	Elnec (BeeProg2) 埃尔内克（BeeProg2）	Competitor A 竞争对手 A
Device count 设备计数	~71.950	63.276

*Note: Analysis is based on device lists form 6th of December 2010 (Device list of Elnec BeeProg2 used; Device list of particular competitor product where greatest device count number is promoted used).
*注意：分析基于 2010 年 12 月 6 日的设备清单（使用的 Elnec BeeProg2 设备清单;使用最大设备计数的特定竞争对手产品的设备列表）。

In addition, if Elnec used the same method for device counting as competitor B (Germany), final comparison would be approximately:
此外，如果 Elnec 使用与竞争对手 B（德国）相同的设备计数方法，则最终比较结果大致为：

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	Elnec (BeeProg2) 埃尔内克（BeeProg2）	Competitor A 竞争对手 A
Device count 设备计数	~230.220	59.950

*Note: Analysis is based on device lists form 6th of December 2010 (Device list of Elnec BeeProg2 used; Device list of particular competitor product where greatest device count number is promoted used).
*注意：分析基于 2010 年 12 月 6 日的设备清单（使用的 Elnec BeeProg2 设备清单;使用最大设备计数的特定竞争对手产品的设备列表）。

At the end, please let us assure you again that we don't cheat our customers and therefore we did not develop our method for device counting for the reason that we want to be able to display highest device count number in the industry, as some of our competitors do. In opposite, the intention is to display correct number by which customer can easily distinguish between our products, and can see our effort in adding new devices support (software updates & development of programming adapters).
最后，请让我们再次向您保证，我们不会欺骗我们的客户，因此我们没有开发我们的设备计数方法，因为我们希望能够显示业内最高的设备计数，就像我们的一些竞争对手所做的那样。相反，目的是显示正确的数字，以便客户可以轻松区分我们的产品，并可以看到我们在添加新设备支持（软件更新和开发编程适配器）方面的努力。